Brabham Parts on eBay

[ADRIAN]

YES, As I said before, my opinion is that if you put a Brabham Kit onto any 90 engined Viva,so long as all the parts of the kit is used, - then that car is a BRABHAM Viva, - even a SL90 Crayford Convertable.
Unlike a Viva GT, the log book has never designated whether a car is or isnt a Brabham.
I could see where this discussion was heading a mile off, because you know that I own what is probably the only original spec SL90 Crayford convertable remaining, still with 1159cc and maybe people are afraid that I would be converting this rare car into a Viva GT or a Brabham convertable to increase it's value? No chance of that!
When this car is finished, it will be totally original. I dont think that converting such a rare car into a dual identity ie "Crayford" and "Brabham"would indeed increase the value. It is so unique, a one off ,that it doesnt need enhancing further. Rest assured, no "fake" Brabham convertable here! (Ooops just realised I had said that there was no such thing as a fake).
Yes Deon, if you reshelled your Brabham, I believe it would still be a Brabham, because "its a puppit" sorry, I mean "Its a Kit" .
But, then thats only my opinion, ................

[Sid]

As an aside, was there ever a "Brabham Avenger"?
'cos back when I was 18 my mate's mother had a 1300 Avenger with twin carbs and a gas flawed head etc. and it was painted in Brabham
blue/n/white F1 racing colours. It was like that when she bought it.
It was a real flying machine as well. Quickest 1.3 'saloon' I've *ever* been in, (whereas a stock 1300 Avenger cant even keep up
with a stock HB 1159, as I once proved on a disused airfield!).
I wondered if this was a factory car, like the larger engined Tiger, or just a one-off custom job.

Sid

[Edd_V6]

Unfortunately your opinion is what the Classic Car world takes as Gospel. Someone in your position should not actively encourage people to try and pass off “Replica” cars as genuine. Deon’s “Genuine” Brabham would be worth far more than any one of the built converted in recent years.

As you have quoted in you reply
“I could see where this discussion was heading a mile off, because you know that I own what is probably the only original spec SL90 Crayford convertible remaining, still with 1159cc and maybe people are afraid that I would be converting this rare car into a Viva GT or a Brabham convertible to increase it's value?”

Why do you think you own the only original spec SL90 Crayford are you trying to increase its value too…. There are 2 Crayford GT’s around and 6 standard cars…..and they are all still around. Four of them still retain their Original spec trim. Or are you saying that your Crayford is the only one that could possibly re-appear as a Brabham.

This is not my opinion this is a Fact…

Edd

[northern nutter]

I am sorry but i have never herd of so much *Bleep* in my life, but as you say its your opinion.
How can you say that my Brabham would be still  a Brabham of the same class if i restored it?
 
The word is restorasion which means to restor/re build/ a re shell is for them that are  not capabul of restoring a rair classic.
 
So you are saying that the RED Delux that is on your list is in your eys a Brabham?

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[northern nutter]

O well as there has been no reply i can only assume that this is what you believe.
Understandably everyone has there own opinion.
This has now left me thinking after reading through all the posts.
 
Looking at what has been said, a HB Deluxe could never be a Brabham there was only
A Deluxe 90 Brabham so a Brabham log book would ether say Deluxe 90 or SL 90.
When buying a Brabham check the log book and then check that it has the 90 engine and 
running gear. If its not a 90 its not worth it.
If the kit was to be fitted to a Deluxe or to a 1256 engine all you would get is *Bleep* mpg the car will not go any quicker plus the gearing will be wrong. A 1256 is easy to spot look near the dipstick 1256 is written in big letters if there is a plate there ask why?
 
My Brabham which is sold now was bout from Vauxhall and had the kit fitted from the day its first owner drove it away.
There for it has always been a Brabham from day one.
It now needs a full restoration which will mean months my be years of hard work and dedication.
Why? when it will be in the same class as a Brabham that has just been made up.
I am sorry but to me this is wrong,
Make a fast buck that is what it looks like to me and do you no why?
 
If it is not about money then why are people saying a Brabham is Brabham no matter when it was done will?
If this is not true then why hide the truth about your car?
Wouldn't it be better to list or say when it was converted or do you think it would be worth less if you told the truth. I thought the idea of a club was to help its members and if we can stop them from being ripped of, or is that just me?
 
Adrian if the Brabham Viva is just a kit then you should consider this,
How can you own the prototype Brabham?
You may have a prototype kit but that is all.
As for your car it may as well just be another HB.
 
Now do you think this is right?
 
Deon  
  

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[xwv2300]

I think the club needs to define an original Brabham viva for now and future peace, the rule amongst other clubs with specials, eg super speed escort,broadspeed capri, speedwell mini. is that to be clased as an original the kit must have been bought new and fitted by the suppling dealer.
If you bought these parts as a kit and took them home and fitted them yourself you are creating a replica.
A box of second hand parts will never make a viva into an original Brabham.

[xwv2300]

[quote="I could see where this discussion was heading a mile off, because you know that I own what is probably the only original spec SL90 Crayford convertable remaining, still with 1159cc and maybe people are afraid that I would be converting this rare car into a Viva GT or a Brabham convertable to increase it's value? No chance of that!
When this car is finished, it will be totally original.


Is a restored car original ???
In my view an original car is one that has not been restored (no matter how rough)

[Sid]

How can you say that? You might as well say a car isn't genuine if it's had new tyres fitted!

How can you possibly draw a line as to the difference between what consitutes "repair", "maintenance", or "servicing" and what
consitutes "restoration". You can't, simple as that.

The chassis number and V5 are the "be all and end all" of what consitutes a "genuine" car in the eyes of the current law, and that's
good enough for me.

Sid

----- Original Message -----
From: "xwv2300" <andy@millington64.freeserve.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Brabham Parts on eBay


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> Is a restored car original ???
> In my view an original car is one that has not been restored (no matter how rough)
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[xwv2300]

AH. genuine and original two completly different terms. you are correct that correct vin and v5 details means a genuine car. but to me the word original means `first` hence a car that has been resprayed does not have original paint,
i hear too many owners at shows bleet on about there original car then in the next breath say its had new floors new wings ,new paint, so the correct tearm for that car should be `restored to original spec`.

I have a genuine `rare` viva, it`s not original as many parts have been changed over the years.

It`s only my view and other`s are entitled to there`s.

[Sid]

I see where you're coming from, but by that strict definition there could be no such thing as an "original car" at this age, as even
changing service parts like the oil fiter or brake pads would violate the originality.

You can't, objectively, draw a line saying its OK to fit new brake discs but its not OK to fit a wing. Either the car is *totally*
original or it isn't, and I guarantee there no such thing as a "totally" original Viva, anywhere.

You can talk about "original paint" or "original chassis" or "original bodywork" as separate entities but there's no such thing as
an "original car", as that status was lost the moment the first owner changed a spark plug or whatever.

I say a car is a car and should be judged by it's current condition not its history, unless it's history is specifically the sole
reason for it's desirability (like an ex-works race car or something) in which case that's a very subjective valuation and perhaps a
separate topic.
.
Sid

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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: Brabham Parts on eBay


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> AH. genuine and original two completly different terms. you are correct that correct vin and v5 details means a genuine car. but
> to me the word original means `first` hence a car that has been resprayed does not have original paint,
> i hear too many owners at shows bleet on about there original car then in the next breath say its had new floors new wings ,new
> paint, so the correct tearm for that car should be `restored to original spec`.
>



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