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HB + Mazda 24v V6. Now sold and gone to a good home :-)

Postby yoeddynz » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:51 pm

Edit: Thanks a lot Photobucket for wrecking thousands of peoples work in writing threads around the world! So, like many other threads out there you'll find this one filled with missing photos. Its going to take ages to sort them out but I've already sorted a few on the thread thats hosted on oldschool.co.nz. Here's a link to see any missing photos....

https://oldschool.co.nz/index.php?/topi ... me-crack/&

Edit over and out :-)

Here's a new slimmed down new thread on my HB viva project :D I have finally started getting a proper move on with it in the last month or so. Getting excited about having it ready for summer shows.

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Last year while still living in England I bought an old rusty Rx7 from a friend who owns the oldest Mazda dealership in the UK. It was a rare Elford Turbo series 2 rx7.

The Elford Turbo was a Mazda approved conversions by a dealership in Bournemouth. It only runs at 5psi- enough though to add 40 ponies and a load more torque.. which is nice. :)

Here is some info on it... not a lot out there really.

http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=UDHl ... bo&f=false



He had rebuilt the engine fully using all new parts (handy when you own a dealership eh) a few years back but the body work had become tired so I got the car at a very nice price. Engine is barely run in. By the time I had sold loads of other bits and pieces from the rx7 (koni shocks, springs, interior bits) I made back enough money that all the parts I needed only cost me £50!!! £50 for a rebuilt engine...I was very happy. So all the parts went in a container back to NZ. I had also got some spax shocks before leaving- spax were just 5 miles up the road from where I lived so it was rude not to.

My Viva started off as a standard deluxe with the little 1100 engine. This just had to go.

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It was burning a lot of oil (about a pint every 100 miles) and was no fun at all. I knew as soon as I slung the 12A into the bay that a rotary would be a nice conversion. The gearbox mount sat bang in the middle of the original g/box support and there seemed plenty enough room in the bay for exhaust building etc. Good clearance around the tunnel.

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I bought some goodies from a fellow Vauxhall nutter here in NZ including an 1800 axle, big 3.3 Vauxhall Ventora front discs on modified lower arms, a brake servo.

I got these seats as I just couldn't get along with the originals. And these Momo ones are out of an alfa and match almost perfectly!- I'm really happy because its not often I see modern seats with the 'fluted?' style of cover to match the rear seat. Colour is almost spot on too!

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I have now removed the seats and my original mounts as I will have to redo the mountings for when it comes to being certified.

I have also had to deal with some rust. Just a bit on one arch. I cut it out and welded fresh steel in. As always it turned out to be worse than I first thought so i'm glad i've done it now!!! Its all painted now.

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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby yoeddynz » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:52 pm

So about 3 months ago I did this...

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No going back now- I dropped the front crossmember out...nice and easy on a Viva- 2 bolts, 2 nuts and steering coupling. Once off and on the floor I drilled out the spot welds holding the engine mount brackets. Off they came and now its all set to properly drop the rotary in place and see if the turbo fits... 8)

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The turbo setup will fit BUT... no way can I fit standard brake servo etc. I would have to go remote servo.

The steering column doesn't need moving which is nice. The rubber coupling just fouls the manifold and would not last long- so a metal joint here would sort that...

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The sump needs some chopping about the steering column on one side.

There is enough room for the mazda clutch master with turbo in place- just ;D

The SU carb on turbo setup just touches the battery tray so the tray would go and battery in boot.

And once I shorten gearstick remote the gearstick will pop out in a nice handy place.... I'm gonna take the top off the tunnel anyway to give a touch more clearance on box.

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The bottom arms do not have sway bar mounts on them- well they do now. The same guy has lent me some spares to copy so I cut some 3mm steel to shape and bent in the vice- hey presto- factory mounts.

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Welded them in and now all they need is a wire brush with a lick of paint.

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One day when I have a lot of money I would love to get some lightweight calipers. I could machine my own hubs if I had a lathe (one day) and then have a nice light brake set up because these ones are very heavy.

Oh- and i have some new wheels. These ones are 13" off a vauxhall victor. They still not wide enough but that will get sorted one day. I reckon they look wicked with the 185/60 toyos (not so stretched...) fitted. They came with quite nice flat faced s/s hubcaps but i was well happy to discover the shiny chrome dome caps off my 12" snap in place perfect.

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this car is still looking old man style but for the seats 8) it is getting dropped too! :)
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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby yoeddynz » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:57 pm

I decided I had better get shifting on this wee car or we'll miss another summer of driving it.

Lovely spring day to blow the wood dust off the car.

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Marked the sump for some cuttingwhere it sits next to the steering rack/column junction. It possibly wont touch but I'd rather not risk it. I'll also remove the oil level warning gubbins and add a baffle.

Then removed the engine/box so i can cut the top of tunnel off- it only needs to be about an inch higher. Luckily the tunnel is really easy to get too as there is no heater in the way on Vivas, the heater being mounted up on the firewall in the bay.

We took out the front suspension and little discs etc.

we had a little helper....

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Hannah found some rust behind the bumper mount so I cut it out...

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There were two skins leading to a water trap. I cut one thick piece of steel to replace it with. nuts welded on back..

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Then welded up, ground down and painted.

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After doing that it was on with the big 'ol Victor discs and hubs, heftier springs.

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Its good to be finally working on a classic again. After doing the engine swap in the hiace this is so easy to work on!!!

A friend told me that there a load of guys in town planning to all have the their project cars on the road for around christmas and do some runs. Plus lots of shows to go in 2011.

Next the axle. I had got my hands on a nice strong 1800 magnum jobbie. With big drums. Gave it a good scrub in the evening sun. Painted black now and sitting under the vivas bum where it should be. I also scored a pair of shorter springs- this is a bonus as Viva's have funny shaped coils that you cant just chop down. So now my Viva sits about 2" lower :D I think they are stiffer too- certainly were way less rusty!

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Next job is to remove the seats and cut the top of the tunnel off so I can lift the gear box 1.5 " and make some engine mounts. Looking forwards to having it sat in there on its own mounts!
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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby opelscott22 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:44 am

Glad to see your back on this Alex! Well done sourcing all the parts you have, that can be the cause of major problems with projects like this.
I like the steelies, like you say a touch wider and they will be perfect!

Oh, and I replied to your PM. :goodluck:

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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby yoeddynz » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:07 pm

Cheers- yeah once I'm working and earning again I will definitely get widened steels!
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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby yoeddynz » Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:08 am

Engine mounts are done! clutch pedal box mods are done.

I have cut the tunnel top off. Luckily it only needed the very top whipped off. With gearbox lifted, sump sitting on some thin blocks of wood on the viva crossmember a spirit level sat on top of Nikki carb manifold is almost level.

While engine was sat in place I marked the sump where it was touch the steering rack. Off with the sump and I chopped out a notch then welded in new steel. Back on and it fits perfectly.

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I then bought some steel from my old work and started on the engine crossmember. I was all set to have to make a breast plate too.( This is engine mount thing mounted to the front cover that sit on top of the engine mounts) I was positive that I had brought one over from the UK with me but I looked and looked and just couldn't find it! But just as I was about to start making one whilst searching for something else I found it sitting in a box right at the back under the bench! I was so happy to find it as it would have been a pain to make.

I started off by drilling two holes a side through each chassis rail. I used a bigger bit on the inside face and welded in some tube so the rails wont crush when the bolts are done up tight.

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Then I hung 80 x 6mm plate down from each side and lined up a length of 50 x 25 x 3mm rhs between them. Nice hefty welds and some reinforcing plates on each side to stop sideways movement. The N/S reinforcing plate has a hole through it for the oil cooler pipes.

The cross member has to drop quite far as the viva has quite high chassis rails. Once it was all bolted up it is nice and strong- if slightly over built.

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The gearbox was easy- just some 35 mm box section bolted in between the mazda g/box mount and the Viva g/box support. Simple. It was great to step back and see the lot sitting there on its own mounts! Out with the engine again- which is very easy to hoist in and out.

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Next job was the clutch master cylinder placement and modifications to the pedal box. As the Viva is originally a cable operated clutch I had to do a redesign of the whole lot. I started by chopping off the clutch pedal from the viva pedal box and fitting in its place a RX7 clutch pedal - with its fulcrum mounted higher up. I made an adjustable stop for it too so I can set the pedal heights.

Then I filled in all the various holes on the firewall that were not to be used and made an extra big hole for the new rx7 master cylinder I had bought to go through. This was the longest part of the mods as my smallest hole saw was broken and I wasn't about to buy a new one for just one job.

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To fill in the smaller 5/16 bolts holes I cut little thin discs off a long bolt and held them in place with a magnet so they sat flush before tacking in place. Beats my old way of just filling in the hole from the edge with tonnes of weld!

Bolts are welded onto the back and protrude through the firewall. The master cylinder mounting holes were threaded- I drilled them out and it now slides in place onto the studs easily.

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I chopped the bottom off the Viva brake pedal and the bottom rx7 pedal fitted in place perfect for good strong welds. Now both pedals match. I set them both a bit lower too as I always found the Viva pedals to high off the floor. I will use an HC accelerator pedal assembly as its all one unit that bolts to the floor and is bottom hinged which I prefer.

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The clutch pedal works perfect so i am well happy with it.


On friday I removed the battery tray. It looked at first like it was hiding rust but luckily after a good wire brush session it was deemed solid. I welded up a load of old screw holes and cut off any tabs or bits I didn't need then ground the lot smooth. Some filler and sanding to do but its looking much better without the battery tray there and if i Do go down the way of the Elford turbo i'll have plenty of room to point the carb!

I also cut out the stamped profile on the front valance for extra cooling that the GTs have. This will be needed as standard airflow is not great at all. It was an easy neat job to do with my jigsaw. I will put some mesh behind it to stop stones etc.

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Any neat ideas on how to hold the mesh in place from behind with out having any fastners visible from outside would be great- i was thinking of welding some small nuts to the inside of the valance then bolting a strip of steel top and bottom?

Today after a very relaxed hot sunday morning I set to work on shortening the gear box remote.

First undo the 4 bolts holding cover plate on remote then undo the bolt holding the hub thing for the gearstick ball end thing- GSBE- ( techy terms I know).

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Then undo the 4 bolts holding the remote in place. There are two pins locating it so it has to be lifted up with large persuasive flatblade screwdrivers. Then hammer it off backwards. The GSBE will come off shaft with it. Remove the pins - they wont be needed and wont line up anyway once remote is shortened.

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Mark on shaft a centre 103mm forwards of existing hole. Set up and drill 5mm hole- taking much care to keep it lined up straight with the existing hole. If its out it makes getting reverse a pig.

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Then drill halfway in with 6mm. then tap hole M6 x 1

Now cut off remaining shaft. Also cut down remote housing and shorten shaft tube by 103mm. Make a new seal at one end with electrical tape wrapped round it till its a tight fit.

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Reassemble and hey presto- a gear stick 100 mm further forwards- which pops it up nicely to hand in chevettes, vivas plus older 4speed rotary mazdas.

I then spent some time out in the afternoon sun (30d today!) cleaning up the outside and giving it a quick polish - i cxan think of worse things to do with a beer in hand...

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I followed this with a bit of sanding of in the engine bay.

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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby yoeddynz » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:45 am

Please kind Paul sir- may you move this thread to 'modifications' as I don't think its really very original now....


Getting ready for paint. Tidied up the engine bay and the seams around the wings etc- it amazes me how solid it is in places like that. Most cars i've had have been worse there.

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I put one coat of paint on but ran out- i have ordered more colour matched paint in a can.

Then I tidied up the engine some more- ground down any casting marks in the iron plates- not so much for look but because the paint will go on better/smoother. I have to decide on a colour to piant the engine- thinking the same colour as the body but its a bit impractical. maybe a darker blue? See Resene colour chart in blue here...

http://www.resene.co.nz/swatches/search ... pe=palette

Hmmmm. ford riveria blue that i painted the rx3 was nice.. what ever colour i choose it wont be sprayed on this time - I will brush paint it on in enamel as it will stick better. I was forever touching up flakey paint on the chevette and rx3 engine plates.
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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby yoeddynz » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:49 pm

Been busy painting little bits and pieces here and there, straightening and tidying the front valance. Engine all ready to be painted- engine colour chosen- its pretty close to ford riviera blue and should (I hope) go well with car colour.

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I checked the sump mods for any leaks- one tiny one which weeped out after over an hour of sump sitting full of water. welded it up and checked again- seems ok now.

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I have also decided to paint in behind grill black.
Some masking...

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I want to make my own grill later on and with black behind it should look better. It will also be easier to keep looking tidy. Looks cool so far- do cars really need lights? 8-)

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I have also made a bolt on drain into sump for.....TURBO... not that I am definitely gonna fit it but if I do i don't want to be taking sump off again later on to have to do this. It bolts through sump wall into a captive ring with m5 nuts welded to it. I can remove it and have made a plate to bolt in place if I do. I will make a canister to weld onto pipe into sump- the canister will sit above oil line for turbo drain to run into- I have been told this will be a good idea? Is it?
Will put up photo of it later when sump paint is dry.

I have made sure that the drain into sump is same size and no smaller then pipe off bottom of turbo. I don't want a smoky turbo.
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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby yoeddynz » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:55 pm

Among other things this weeks I built a new turbo manifold ;D Very happy with it as its solid and turbo is in a great position.

It was a mission as to start with I had to make the flanges myself out of 10mm plate. This is a budget build, because I have no money to spare, so I couldn't just buy them. Anyway the rear flange for the down pipe is unusual or so my local exhaust bloke said. But I have time so while Hannah is out working I'll play.. I mean work..on the Viva. :D I was lucky to have bought a cheap rx7 exhaust manifold which I robbed the main exhaust flange from.

So with my trusty £30 pillar drill and new blades in my hacksaw I set to work.

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How else could I easily put a big hole through 10mm plate without a lathe or gas set....

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Due to positioning constraints in an RX7 the cast iron Elford manifold is flawed where the WG is mounted at one end in the wrong direction to the flow and the runners are uneven...

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I wanted this one to be even so the pulses hit the turbo evenly. Plus I wanted to mount the waste gate in the middle near the turbo. I discovered I would be able to continue to use the Elford made WG but I left the design open for possible future upgrades to the more common (but out of budget at this point) 38mm Tial style WG's.

Once flanges were made I made a little jig to hold the turbo where I wanted it.

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I used 3mm thick pipe and 3mm plate to build between the flanges, with 5mm plate for where the WG would mount. I will still space the WG away with a spacer to stop as much heat soak- if it matters.

Then I slowly pieced it together. My poor little welder was having a hard time - its a bit moody almost as if the power supply is irregular. It didn't like all the tick plate- too much heat sap and it has a *Bleep* duty cycle so it was a long process.

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Finished with some high temp paint (how long will that last?...)

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Then I discovered a small crack on the WG plate, I wondered how far it went through so I did what most would do and hit it with a hammer. It went almost all the way through so that was a another plate to make.

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Elford had fitted a drain for any fuel that collects in the bottom of the turbo scroll. I couldn't believe my luck when I discovered I already had the appropriate 1/8th bsp tap for tapping its new location

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I also cleaned up the inlet manifold- it had unneeded castings on it for RX7 fitment so these came off. Then a good wire brushing with a wire wheel on the drill cleaned it up nicely.

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Its all in place. Luckily the Elford WG pipe will work too- it should meet up nicely with the down pipe out the back of turbo. I need to find or make a 90 outlet for the servo as the turbo heat shield is just in the way. Now I am looking to find some suitable elbows to connect a pipe between turbo outlet and inlet manifold. Anything but gay blue silicone piping! 50mm ID- so maybe truck radiator hose bends as suggested by some on oldschoolnz. Even if they only last a year till I can afford proper silicone bends- in black!

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Re: HB Viva mazda rotary project

Postby opelscott22 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:46 pm

Thats an epic amount of effort gone into that manifold! Good work! Ive had to cut flanges in 8mm before but never 10, I feel your pain... 8)
The rotary looks right at home in there, I kinda regret wimping out on mine....

Where does the drain from the snail go? That tapping must be under partial boost pressure?

Im jealous of the weather you have to work in just now, I cant get the garage door open as the lock is frozen on the inside!! :o
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